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duckboy
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harmolodic
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 Posted - 07/30/2005 : 7:55:07 PM
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| I don't mean to be mean spirited here, but Noel was a guitarist playing bass. Hendrix came from blues, R&B, and soul. Noel was a straight 8's rock player, and could not supply the kind of groove that Hendrix required. Nor did he ever really function with the great Mitch Mitchell as a tight rhythm section. I'll give him the pseudo jazz parts he played on "If 6 was 9" and "Third Stone from the Sun." |
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wdent
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Posted - 08/01/2005 : 08:07:20 AM
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Great site (retrosellers).....I miscalculated when I saw Hendrix...it had to be in 1968...for many reasons. One for sure, is that Noel Redding was very much the bass guitarist for the band and secondly, Chicago Transit Authority (later shortened to Chicago) was as yet, unknown to the masses (a problem corrected in short order as a result of that very tour with Jimi Hendrix Experience and the release of their first album of the same name). Therefore I surmise that it was 1968 that I must have seen Hendrix. As for Noel Redding's bass guitar playing...for me, he was what was supposed to have been, right where he was and in the times that he was. Like when people act like John Lennon was the talent in The Beatles and want to take it all away from McCartney, as if the two didn't have the greatest of respect for one another. No one outside of that group has the right to act as though they know what those two shared or felt about each other...even in the face of heated exchanges into which they both were lured at one time or another by the press looking for some controversy. Jimi Hendrix played with Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding...PERIOD! Together, they made history. There isn't a one of us who wouldn't want to have the same thing said about us if only...
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Chaweh
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 12:13:19 PM
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Wow I cannot believe that I found a discussion board about Noel. Redding did indeed play on the experience album. He also played in concert, jammed with Jimi in the clubs etc. Was there saw them :) Heard the music. Met with Redding and Mitch after concerts. Did some art that I gave to them.
Anyway, it was only later on after that "incident" in Stokholm in January 4, 1968 where Redding wrote in his book saying Jimi had been hanging around with a gay journalist and made the suggestion that he Mitch and this guy have a row at it. Redding said he passed on it and Jimi went wild. He went on to write that Jimi had been drinking and he did not deal well with alcohol. He said he wrestled him and sat on him three times before giving up and leaving the room. By that time Jimi had punched out a window and cut up his hand. The hotel Consiglier said that the room was completely trashed and covered with blood.
Now Mitchell writes there were people in the room that Jimi didn't want to see he was tired and drinking and just freaked out. The police report reads that Jimi was involved in a drunken fight with the bass player.
To go on, it was when recording Electric Ladyland the double in 1968 that Jimi did some bass on some of the songs. Noel said that Jimi recorded over his licks whenever he took a break. He said that there were already rumors about his being replaced etc. There were also artistic differences between them such as Jimi not wanting to do Noel's songs.
But as another poster wrote--Mitch and Noel were hired as side men. The record shows that they were paid as such as well. Their job was to back Jimi up not show him up! It wasn't a deal like the Stones or the Who or anything like that. Fans saw the group this way but the reality was totally different.
Noel deserves to be respected. He was there in the beginning when they had to squash his skinny behind on top of the amps in the back because they didnt't have enough room for everybody up front. Those boys went through touring Europe before them blew up in Britian and the US. It was management, the pressure of fame, drugs and all that which caused them to pull apart.
Check out Noel, Mitche's and the Shapiro book.
Peace Everybody
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pedro
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Posted - 01/02/2007 : 6:36:20 PM
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[[(excluding the Breckers and others like Don Alias who already had lucrative careers and reps of their own before Jaco came onto the scene)
I’m re-reading this and wondering who exactly are you referring to? Wayne Shorter, Joe Zawinul, Pat Metheny, Mike Stern?
[[Wow I cannot believe that I found a discussion board about Noel.
Huh?
[[Redding did indeed play on the experience album. He also played in concert, jammed with Jimi in the clubs etc. Was there saw them :) Heard the music. Met with Redding and Mitch after concerts. Did some art that I gave to them.
I saw The Experience live too. FWIW, there are lots and lots of live Experience and I’ve never heard any that led me to believe Redding was anything but a guitarist playing bass. As far as I know, Redding was a guitarist who answered an ad placed by Chas Chandler and who thought he was auditioning for The Animals. IMO his lack of experience was quite evident in the live recordings.
[[To go on, it was when recording Electric Ladyland the double in 1968 that Jimi did some bass on some of the songs.
Did Jimi suddenly become dissatisfied with Noel’s playing?
[[ Noel said that Jimi recorded over his licks whenever he took a break. He said that there were already rumors about his being replaced etc.
Well there were an abundance of truly wonderful bass player’s available to Hendrix. Redding may have been a sweet guy but he was definitely NOT one of them. FWIW, Chas Chandler would have done a better job.
[But as another poster wrote--Mitch and Noel were hired as side men. The record shows that they were paid as such as well. Their job was to back Jimi up not show him up!
Its not a matter of showing anyone up. Lots of sidemen have been used over the years by all sorts of stars. Did Jerry Jemmott show up BB King? Did Jamerson show up the Four Tops or the Temptations? Absolutely not.
[[Noel deserves to be respected.
Ok he was a great guy but this discussion has nothing to do with that. We are talking about arguably the greatest rock guitarist of all selecting as part of his support cast a guy who had never played the instrument he had been hired to play.
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Tony M
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Posted - 01/04/2007 : 4:07:47 PM
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FWIW, I think Band of Gypsies was a much better band than 'The Experience'.
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pedro
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Posted - 01/06/2007 : 5:59:34 PM
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Tony M, LOL!
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nocturne
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Posted - 01/14/2007 : 03:19:02 AM
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| I wouldn't use the word most, but I will say a lot of the bass parts on recorded sessions of the Jimi Hendrix Experience was played by Hendrix himself. Such as All Along the Watchtower. Give a listen. Using that song as an example, Hendrix being more than just an accomplished guitarist was also a very talented bass player and often worked as such earlier in his career. Listening to the bass parts in that song tells you that in no way possible is Redding playing those running fluid parts. The tone and attack is totally different. Besides it is documented. Redding was adequate and played exactly what Hendrix told him to, this was the cause of most of their rows. In the earlier days of the Experience Hendrix played bass also to expedite matters in the studio not as a slight to Redding, but to speed up the process as the guys were still poor and studio time was and is very expensive. Redding not a dynamic bassist but good, a guitarist who switched to bass and largely picked because of his appearence. And yes he did contribute to the creative process of some ground breaking music. |
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pedro
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Posted - 01/14/2007 : 2:56:35 PM
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[[Give a listen. Using that song as an example, Hendrix being more than just an accomplished guitarist was also a very talented bass player and often worked as such earlier in his career.
Yep there was a terrific article going around the internet some years ago. As I recall, it was a recount by various musicians regarding Jimi's abilities on bass as learned by way of jam sessions in which Jimi filled in on bass.
[[Redding not a dynamic bassist but good, a guitarist who switched to bass
This is where we disagree.
[[and largely picked because of his appearence.
Yep, although Chandler would have done a much better job on bass.
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